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Author Topic: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.  (Read 6170 times)

Vyx

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Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« on: October 04, 2009, 04:36:40 pm »

Hi,

First, congratulation to your come back, it wasn't expected...

We are the releaser of the BrokenMUGEN HD Engine (http://www.brokenmugenhr.com), the first HD mugen engine available and we can freely distribute it because since end of the year 2003, Mugen is considered as an abandonware, because Elecbyte stopped his activities and support "de facto".

As we're not agree with the new restrictive licence you, legitimely, include with this new version :

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2. The M.U.G.E.N environment, defined as any or all of the M.U.G.E.N
executable, documentation, sample character and stage files,
configuration files, and other associated data files provided by
Elecbyte and necessary for proper operation of the executable, is
copyrighted by Elecbyte and may not be redistributed in whole or in
part, altered or unaltered, without Elecbyte's express written
permission. Only the following files are exempt from this
restriction, and may be freely distributed and/or altered for non-
commercial purposes: all files in the data/ directory, all files in
the chars/kfm/ directory, all files in the font/ directory,
stages/kfm.def and stages/kfm.sff.

And as we don't like the low compatibility issues of this new version, which look like a new licenced proprietary format, we will continue to distribute our HR and HD versions based on the abandonned beta.

Regards.

Vyx.
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Garuda

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 04:52:40 pm »

You, sir, are a moron. And a BIG one.

And fuck your brokenshit mugen up your ass.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 05:05:50 pm by Garuda »
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Dakangel

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 04:54:03 pm »

Man you can do wathever you want with the modified HACK but the original creators of the mugen engine,beta or not beta are ELECBYTE.

even the name of your engine has the mugen word,uses all the documentation.

when the development creators returns the abandonware word automaticaly dissapear.

Brokenmugen is only a broken hacked and plaggied version of the mugen beta.
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Orochi Gill

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 04:55:24 pm »

Get out now Vyx

You tried giving multiple forums a crappy image don't screw this one up
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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 04:56:44 pm »

well... seems like he wants promo...

anyways, elecbyte staff will choose what to do

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 05:05:46 pm »

Elecbyte is back, so the fact they've "stopped" activity is false, it was only a break, so Mugen has never been an abandonware from this point of view.

Get off with your BrokenHD shit. And LOL, you still want to promote your shitty hack even though the new Winmugen has many new features resolution wise and is better than your in every single point (you can't even use resolution as a LOL reason for using your broken version now). So please, just stop, you're digging your grave bigger and bigger.
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Vyx

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 05:06:11 pm »

Garuda,

is that you nicola ?



 :D

Orochi Gill & Cyberclown

go back on mfg,

Akangel,

Are you sure this elecbyte and the old one are the same moral person ? We have broken the source code of an abandonned software. Abandonned software fall in public domain, in France. This can't be relicensed by "recreating" the company.

Nio,

No, i was just explaining to elecbyte why we keep the old version, it could be useful to them.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 05:08:36 pm by Vyx »
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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 05:10:15 pm »

Explain how it can be useful to them ? You just hacked the resolution to double it while not having any source code. Elecbyte has it and have real coders who can develop the engine as they see fit.
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O Ilusionista

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 05:11:55 pm »

Vyx, before you open your mouth (or type something), PLEASE KNOW BETTER of what you're trying to say...

All Abandoned software and software platforms older than 5 years from the date of 'discontinuance' becomes public domain.
If original software developers still exist, they must provide Source Code to the Library of Congress.
The Source Code is treated as a book,and put on-line as a digital publication. (ASCII Text File)
Along with downloadable working copies of the compiled program.
If the original software developers do not exist, citizens may submit software to the Library of Congress using
an on-line form and upload service. Old emulator programs are to be added to the Library too.
Then software can be preserved for computer platforms no longer in production.
(Apple, Atari, Commodore, IBM, Sinclair, and dozens more . . . )

http://thecoffeedesk.com/news/index.php/2009/05/17/is-abandonware-legal/
http://www.answers.com/topic/abandonware
http://www.d2ca.org/is-abandonware-legal.html

Your arguments are not valid, because Elecbyte NEVER argued that Mugen was discontinuated. It was a beta, and STILL IS a beta.

PLUS, they could sue you, because you've hacked their work withou any expression permission.

Who is talking now?

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O Ilusionista

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 05:13:50 pm »

and two more problems with your arguments:

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We have broken the source code of an abandonned software.

Reverse Eng. is illegal, you know.

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Abandonned software fall in public domain, in France.

Oui? And since WHEN Elecbyte is located on France to be subject to France's laws?
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Dakangel

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 05:18:08 pm »

no man, you hacked and realy broken de executable using inverse enginering, but the source code ,that one code with all the structure untouched belongs to the creators in this case elecbyte.

Elecbyte is not a person ,is a group of people even is a game studio.

you can do every with the hack,is the beta, you already see the new mugen v1.

mugen was never public domain ,the code belongs intact in his creators, the public domain was that prototype beta
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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2009, 05:22:04 pm »

Guys don't give Vyx the time of day. O Ilu, Garuda and others have sufficiently verbally beat the duck sauce out of him. Let him pound his fists on the keyboard and make a bigger ass all by himself.

Lord knows he's proven himself more than capable of it.
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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2009, 05:31:47 pm »

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because since end of the year 2003, Mugen is considered as an abandonware, because Elecbyte stopped his activities and support "de facto".
Are you aware that WinMugen was never even supposed to be released ? The old Mugen was made to run on DOS, and that was a public beta. The version made for Windows was never made public, but leaked, and then hacked.
How exactly do you figure the Windows version of Mugen magically becomes abandoned software when it's something that never was officially released to begin with ? And that all the versions of Mugen for DOS were only public betas ? How does that make sense under the laws of any country ?
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Vyx

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Re: Licence and retrocompatibility problematic.
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2009, 05:35:14 pm »

The actual owner of elecbyte.com use a registrant anonymiser called contactprivacy.com and based in toronto, canada.

So nobody knows who is the moral person which restart activity here and nobody knows if this is the same than the old one.

« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 05:37:18 pm by Vyx »
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